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Daily News Stuff 27 June 2025

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  • AI makes people dumber.  (MSN)

    This is a finding that has been replicated in a series of studies across education and professional use:
    But in a series of experiments involving more than 4,500 participants at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, people who used LLMs to research everyday topics demonstrated weaker understanding of those topics afterward and produced less original insights than people who looked up the same topics using Google.
    Of course Google itself and other search engines have become less useful in recent years for a whole range of reasons, most recently and notably the inundation of the internet with AI slop.
    "It is like the Google Effect on steroids," she says, in a nod to earlier research suggesting people tend to remember less when information is easy to look up.  With LLMs, she says, "We're shifting even further away from active learning."
    It's like giving kids calculators to learn arithmetic.  If you do that, you get the right answer, but you never learn arithmetic.

    And then when you inevitably get the wrong answer because you hit a wrong button, you have no idea that it is wrong.
    Oppenheimer says the findings suggest that simply believing information came from an LLM makes people learn less.  "It is like they think the system is smarter than them, so they stop trying," he says.  "That's a motivational issue, not just a cognitive one."
    This is hardly a new problem, of course:
    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?"  I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.


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1 So what I'm gathering from that last link is "wait until the Chinese makers produce desktop boards with laptop 5050s".

Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 28 2025 01:25 AM (1zWbY)

2 "...waaah..." Also, may we take it as a given now that Gresham's Law applies to education as well as economics? 

Posted by: Joe Redfield at Saturday, June 28 2025 03:16 AM (KOtXO)

3 Education probably directly inherited GResham's Law from economics in the first place. There is a long term trend, involving national level public funded education policies. There's also the short term fact that academia is in many cases writing the official valuation for its information products, and at the same time ensuring that the customers/public are defrauded with the delivered value of the products. It is slightly too extreme to describe a hypothetical cessation of tertiary school research as 'nature is healing'. But, this is basically all the more interesting a theoretical result because it is unlikely that any established academic would touch it.

Posted by: PatBuckman at Saturday, June 28 2025 09:37 AM (rcPLc)

4 I love that Babbage quote and have occasion to use it every so often.

Posted by: Rick C at Sunday, June 29 2025 12:35 PM (1zWbY)

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